{"id":2459,"date":"2025-01-02T11:48:59","date_gmt":"2025-01-02T11:48:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/?p=2459"},"modified":"2025-01-02T11:49:06","modified_gmt":"2025-01-02T11:49:06","slug":"saul-bromberger-sandra-hoover-lgbtq-photography-bailey-boushay-pride-aids","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/index.php\/2025\/01\/02\/saul-bromberger-sandra-hoover-lgbtq-photography-bailey-boushay-pride-aids\/","title":{"rendered":"The Straight Couple Who Photographed Queer 1980s America"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>On the streets of San Francisco, California, a man stands on the steps outside a building. He\u2019s looking sideways, chest facing forward. His skin shimmers through black and white shadows, chest gleaming and hairless. The wrestling singlet he\u2019s wearing is microscopic, so low cut as to start below his pectorals, revealing a broad physique. His aesthetic, complete with a sweat band, is <em>very<\/em> 80s. But it also wouldn\u2019t feel out of place at the Pride events of 2024. But the confidence in his stance, the pride, is what is truly captivating. He is keeping an eye out for those who might keep an eye on him. Maybe he\u2019s cruising, even. Or maybe he just looks fantastic, and knows it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/12.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2523\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Man standing in a doorway on Market Street at the International Lesbian &amp; Gay Freedom Day Parade, San Francisco, California, June 28, 1987. (Photo By Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Photographer couple <a href=\"https:\/\/www.saul-sandraphoto.com\/index\">Saul Bromberger and Sandy Hoover<\/a> managed to achieve something surprising the day they took that photo \u2013 they found a moment of quiet amongst chaos, a furtive glance, the search for Queer connection. Without crowds or rainbows \u2013 the whole collection from which this was taken is shot in black and white \u2013 it doesn\u2019t look like Pride at all. It would be impressive even for an artist from the LGBTQ+ community to find that energy in a photo. You would never guess from a first glance that Saul and Sandy are in fact allies, who were drawn to capture San Francisco Pride from 1984 &#8211; 1990 for their photo essay, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.saul-sandraphoto.com\/portfolio\/C0000V9Cwbz7wXRo\/G0000DwRyMYhtnNE\">PRIDE: Heart Of A Movement.<\/a><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>\u201c<\/em>We knew back then, and years later, that this would be of historical significance,\u201d Saul tells me from his home in California, about what drew them to the project. \u201cIt was to show the love, the intimacy, the sense of community. There were so many nuances. AIDS was starting to become a really huge disease and it was impacting the community. We were just starting to understand what it was all about.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/11.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2524\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A group outside the Civic Center during the International Lesbian &amp; Gay Freedom Day Parade, San Francisco, California, June 28, 1987. (Photo by Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>He speaks passionately about how they saw their role as allies to the community, at a time when that language and position wasn\u2019t as widely understood.<em> \u201c<\/em>It was just inconceivable to me, to Sandy, at that time and to this day, that there would be discrimination against a group of people. I mean, <em>any<\/em> group of people, but this group of people. So we&#8217;ve always seen ourselves as allies. We know we\u2019re always going to be outsiders.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cI was so disappointed and angry,\u201d Saul says of the coverage he saw this year of San Francisco Pride. \u201cThey\u2019re focused on the flamboyant, on the extravaganza, on the costumes. Not on the people. Not on their relationships, not on couples. I never saw that. Hardly ever, you know. And that to me was an indication that people didn&#8217;t get it\u2026 it might as well have been pictures taken at Carnival. It gave no indication of context, journalistic context, that this was about the LGBTQ community celebrating the wins it\u2019s gotten, but also fighting for the fact that some of its rights are being taken away.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/10.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2525\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Two men lying on top of each other on the grass outside the Civic Center during the International Lesbian &amp; Gay Freedom Day Parade, San Francisco, California, June 29, 1986. (Photo by Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The photos in <em>PRIDE: Heart Of A Movement <\/em>radiate with the warmth of Queer freedom and friendship. Rather than documenting the event itself, Saul and Sandy capture the laughter that ripples through the air of the day.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dykes on Bikes wear sunglasses, and sleeveless tees emblazoned with handpainted \u201cWomen On The Verge\u201d slogans. They smile with anticipation, waiting to be unleashed on the parade. On San Francisco\u2019s iconic Civic Center Plaza, a man strokes his partner\u2019s beard as he lies down, snoozing. From a birds\u2019 eye view, women in matching white tank tops kiss each other on the grass.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/9.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2526\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">&#8216;Dykes on Bikes&#8217; group on Market Street at the International Lesbian &amp; Gay Freedom Day Parade, San Francisco, California, June 24, 1990. (Photo by Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cThere was a lot of dancing, and the dancing was just wonderful. We were watching people hanging out, just enjoying themselves. I remember that I was intentionally not assertive. \u2018Be cool. Don&#8217;t be pushy. Just kind of try to blend in, get your photos\u2019. By blending in we can get these really intimate scenes out. But when you&#8217;re doing something like this, you&#8217;re getting into people&#8217;s spaces, you know, and some people may be uncomfortable with that. So you have to be aware of it, and be respectful.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This skill would be pushed to its absolute limit years later, when the pair were invited to shoot portraits of patients at a groundbreaking end-of-life HIV\/AIDS clinic in Seattle, Washington. Rather than capitalising on fear of the disease, or allowing the faces of patients to fade into a medical backdrop, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.saul-sandraphoto.com\/portfolio\/C0000V9Cwbz7wXRo\/G0000.7Xb0aMojaE\">House Of Angels &#8211; Living With AIDS At The Bailey-Boushay House 1992 &#8211; 1995, 1997<\/a> <\/em>is a photo essay showing the resilience, humanity and personhood of its subjects.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/8.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2527\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Former waitress and bartender Lee Kennedy smokes at the Bailey-Boushay House, 1997. (Photo by Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Developing a relationship close enough to shoot these intimate portraits took time. \u201cAt any one time we had relationships with maybe five to eight families. And because this was a hospice for people living with AIDS, they would pass away. And then we&#8217;d meet new people and we&#8217;d get to know their families. We got to know the staff and volunteers. We became part of the fabric, the family of this house. People started to trust us. They would tell us, \u2018oh, you should meet so-and-so. They have a great family\u2019. And we were seeing some horrific things. We just had to keep our wits about us.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The centre offered portrait sessions with Saul and Sandy as \u201cphoto therapy\u201d, because of the self-esteem boost it gave to patients.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/7.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2528\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Bailey-Boushay House inpatient CJ being held aloft by friends, 1993. (Photo by Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cWe wanted to make these people heroic. Beautiful. And to photograph them with the dignity that they deserved. To this day, we can remember everyone&#8217;s names.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One of the subjects was a 29-year-old former model called Carl. \u201cI had already visualised how I wanted this to look. I wanted it to be dramatic and beautiful and warm. So the warm tone here is not by accident. It is intentional. In fact, the whole project has a warm tone. I didn&#8217;t want it to be cool.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/5.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2529\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Inpatients Chuck Catuto (left) and Carl Gamble, known as &#8216;The Smoking Buddies&#8217;, 1992. (Photo by Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I ask what it was like, knowing the photo you were shooting would likely be the last photo ever taken of someone before their passing. \u201cWe knew exactly what was happening. And yet when they passed away, it was very hard. Very hard. Every single one of these people eventually did pass away,\u201d Saul says.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But the moments of joy were just as important to capture. \u201cThere were some real happy moments here. There were some real moments of joy between people coming together\u2026 It was very depressing at times, but not all the time. Not all the time. We sometimes would see a nurse sitting next to a patient, just holding him or helping him to pee into a bucket or some kind of a device. And it was just amazing, you know, seeing what people will do for one another.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/6.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2530\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A man wearing an HIV\/AIDS tie poses for his portrait. (Photo by Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Many of the photos also feature family members, not only caring for their loved ones, but revealing their own terror and devastation. One heartbreaking inclusion is of an 89-year-old mother holding her son, Joel, dressed in a Jewish tallit, tefillin and kippah. \u201cShe\u2019s wailing, weeping,\u201d says Saul.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>How do you photograph someone in such a moment of vulnerability, in such proximity? \u201cYou just accept it and embrace it. The whole idea of being a fly on the wall, that&#8217;s not happening&#8230; You gotta be socially aware, sensitive to what&#8217;s around you, not be too assertive.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/Untitled-design-63.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2531\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Bailey-Boushay House inpatient Joel Rose with his mother, Ida, 1993. (Photo by Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Saul and Sandy pre-scheduled appointments so the photo sessions felt deliberate, and the subjects expected and consented to their presence. \u201cNo doubt about it. Video camera, film cameras \u2013 Yes, we change, by our presence and by what we&#8217;re trying to do, what&#8217;s happening. So as photographers trying to tell the story of what&#8217;s happening in this house, we embraced it.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The mirror to this project came around two decades later, when the pair shot <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.saul-sandraphoto.com\/portfolio\/C0000V9Cwbz7wXRo\/G00000jyCFcl.wdA\">Portrait Of The AIDS Generation<\/a><\/em>. They\u2019d put <em>House Of Angels <\/em>away for around twenty years, not addressing its contents, but started giving talks with it in the early 2010s. They found that some of the attendees of the talks were individuals who had survived the epidemic, living with HIV for many years, trying some of the earliest medications and treatments, which caused other knock-on effects on their health.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/1.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2532\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Long term HIV survivors in the San Francisco Bay Area meet as a community in a church. (Photo by Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cThey&#8217;re in their 60s and 70s, and they&#8217;ve got all of these consequences to all these medications that they&#8217;ve taken.\u201d He mentions one such survivor, Hank, who has chronic fatigue syndrome. \u201cIt prevents him from doing anything. Basically, he stays in his home, doesn&#8217;t get out much and is in constant pain. So that\u2019s when we thought, \u2018we need to do a project here.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They started attending community meetings and shooting portraits of the individuals they met. \u201cWe also worked hard to get women,\u201d says Saul.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/4.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2533\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Billie Cooper, living with HIV, says \u201cconfidence to me is if you don&#8217;t like me it&#8217;s ok. I love myself today.\u201d (Photo by Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>In one photo, a defiant woman in a leopard print shirt and matching platform ankle boots stands on a tree trunk, one hand on her hip.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cHer name is Bonnie,\u201d says Saul. \u201cThe image here is to show resolve, strength, and sometimes vulnerability. She was scared. She got this from her husband, who had different relationships. She\u2019s not in the LGBTQ community\u2026 She loves the people she\u2019s with, but she\u2019s also lost some friends. It brings on a different dynamic.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/3.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2534\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Bonnie Parker at Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. She has been living with HIV since 1989. (Photo by Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I ask what the feelings typically were of people he encountered while shooting the project. Luck? Guilt? Fear?<br><br>\u201cThey\u2019re in a lot of pain oftentimes. And I think they want people to understand what they&#8217;re going through. They want support.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/dev-gaystarnewscouk.gmg-staging.link\/uploads\/2025\/01\/2.jpg?height=1080&#038;width=1920\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2535\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Ralph Thurlow, left, and David Spiher, have been married for 12 years and live in Hayward, CA. Spiher has been living with HIV for 30 years and 18 years with AIDS, while Thurlow has had AIDS for 12 years and has HIV related dementia, at their home in Hayward, CA. (Photo by Bromberger Hoover Photography)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The work of Saul Bromberger and Sandra Hoover is a testament to how allyship can go beyond watching <em>Drag Race <\/em>and sharing an infographic. It takes time, effort and craft to not only get to know the LGBTQ+ community as individuals, but reveal the joy, the intimacy, the fight and the fear. From <em>PRIDE: Heart of a Movement<\/em>, to <em>Portrait of the AIDS Generation<\/em>, the pair have created a time capsule of the community over time, how it has changed, evolved, and the love that channels throughout. To Saul and Sandy, LGBTQ+ people are the muse.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u201cIt&#8217;s just been so enriching to do these projects about the LGBTQ community. So enriching. We just love it,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>You can see more of Saul and Sandra&#8217;s photography on their <a href=\"https:\/\/www.saul-sandraphoto.com\/index\">website<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/saul_sandraphoto\/\">Instagram.<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em>Follow the author on Instagram <a href=\"http:\/\/instagram.com\/iamhelenthomas\">@iamhelenthomas<\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;We wanted to make these people heroic. Beautiful. 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